I really wish I’d written about this conversation on Friday. Unfortunately, I left my office to pick up my hubby shortly thereafter. This is my best recollection of the experience, two days later…
I had my usual bi-weekly meeting with my postdoc supervisor on Friday afternoon. Unfortunately, it turned out to be a not-entirely-usual meeting. Keep in mind that we just had an article rejected earlier this week. It’s now been sent to two different top-tier journals, neither of which were interested in publishing it. The first set of reviews from Child Development were bizarre (one raving with excitement, the other entirely unenthusiastic), and the second set of reviews from Parenting Science & Practice were more thorough (didn’t like the measurement, didn’t get the analyses, didn’t see anything novel about it).
So after the usual chitchat about recent developments in our ongoing projects, we transitioned to talking about the new set of reviews. This is where the conversation became rather strange. My postdoc supervisor said something to the effect of “Based on these current reviews, my confidence about mentoring you is entirely gone. I clearly don’t know the research area well enough to adequately guide you throughout this process. I’ve been in contact with [4th author on paper], and [hu] was surprised as me about these reviews and the lack of novelty in the study.”
I replied by suggesting that we’d been shooting too high with this article, and that we might do better at an adolescence journal or at least a 2nd or 3rd tier journal…generally conveying that it’s worth it to give it another go somewhere else. I’ve been rejected so many times that submitting an article to 3 or 4 different journals is really not unusual or particularly discouraging.
Hu’s response was that we’ve now written two articles that hu implied were “going nowhere.” Hu expressed optimism that the 2-3 more recent articles we’re working on will “go somewhere” (2 of these have just been initiated, and 1 will be submitted before I leave for Copenhagen). But hu is generally concerned with “where I want to go” in life/work, and how to best mentor me for the remainder of my postdoc.
[This is the point in the conversation where I started to feel like tears may be imminent, and had to start distracting myself from how I felt in order to get through the conversation.]
Hu continued: “Where do you want to go with your career? Do you want to be somewhere like [our university], or do you want to teach?”
I hate this question. It really is the million-dollar question. The odd coincidence is that I discussed this same topic earlier in the day with talky-shrink (more about this later in this entry). To my supervisor, I said that I had only really decided that I didn’t want to be at a big reseach-oriented university — that I want to be somewhere in-between.
Postdoc supervisor continued “I clearly see that you’re interested in the statistics, but I don’t see an interest in the theory. In your paper on X, writing the methods section was a breeze. I had three comments on the entire section. Writing the introduction has been a different story. Do you enjoy writing introductions?”
[Writing this paper's introduction has been like pulling teeth. This paper is outside my area, and I started working on it purely because I was into the statistical side. But the writing has largely been completed between January and April. Anyone who has read my blog in those months knows what was going on for me during that time. My supervisor knows nothing about this. I've chosen to keep it to myself at the office on the recommendation of others who have said that hu hasn't always been understanding in the past when other staff members have had problems. So, hu doesn't know that I wrote this introduction while hanging on by my fingernails. This alone made the writing a nightmare, on top of which I had to do a substantial body of extra reading for it. The stack of articles is over 6" tall. I have not enjoyed writing this introduction, but I really don't enjoy writing any introductions.]
I shook my head no to my advisor.
“Same with the results. I don’t usually have major comments about your results sections, which are clear and complete. Discussions are…[a pause]…okay. You’ve been an exceptional data manager for the project. But overall, I don’t get the driving sense of passion in you to discover the answer to your burning research question.”
[I don't have a burning desire to answer research questions that are addressable with hu's data. I still feel that I was lured into this position based on false pretenses that hu had data with which I could address my research interests.]
I didn’t say anything in return. I think I just looked at my hands. It felt like I had been judged, and now would be given my sentence.
Hu continued, with hu’s tone rising: “So I’m trying to figure out how to best mentor you so that neither of us are wasting our time. It’s your decision, and depends upon how you view your future. You said that you see yourself somewhere in-between a big university and a small teaching college. Do you see yourself primarily as a lead author who initiates and directs a program of research, or somebody who is mainly a statistical person, like a statistical consultant?”
I replied to the effect of “I’m not sure. Can I have some time to think about it?” and paused.
“I think part of what has driven me to this point was a desire to master the statistical tools. This desire has propelled some of the research questions I’ve posed. But I realize that now that I’ve reached this point, there isn’t a great deal out there left to master. So I’m not sure where to go from here. But I’ll let you know once I’ve thought about it some more in the next week or so.”
I also very sweetly mentioned that I wasn’t too beaten up by this paper’s reviews, as another paper had just been R&R’ed by a better journal.
Regardless, I left this meeting feeling like I’d been slapped, and just concentrated on getting through the rest of the afternoon without breaking down in the lab.
I talked about it a little bit with my hubby on the way home in the car. True to form, he skipped over the judgemental undertones of the conversation, and focused on the practical aspects. “But aren’t you going to be happy in just about any job you find next year, as long as you don’t have to write grants?”
Yes, I think so. I’ve known all along my slow publishing progress has limited my post-postdoc prospects. But, I didn’t expect it to be thrown in my face like this. It’s just another hurt, another stressor, at a time when I’m already so overwhelmed that I only open the mail every two weeks.
I give him credit for trying to deal with my shortcoming in a semi-sensitive way… but it still feels like I’m getting dumped in a way…
Another postdoc who left the lab about a year ago went into a teaching position at a state-funded liberal arts university in the northeast. After hu accepted this position, my postdoc supervisor virtually dropped hu from hu’s schedule. It has to do with the value of the time investment. I’m very concerned that the same will happen to me in a very short period of time. The timing of this couldn’t be worse, as I will be back on the market in just a couple short months. I need to know that my letter of rec from hu is strong, and I need to have work from my time in hu’s lab in order to be a candidate anywhere. I doubt I will have either, if I am dropped off the radar by no choice of my own.
I’m starting to think that I just should have focused on teaching while I was in grad school. Now I just hope that I won’t be completely dismissed by teaching-oriented institutions purely on the basis of having completed a postdoc, with so few publications to show for it.
My talky-shrink clearly thinks that this is the wrong career for me… or at least, the wrong phase of what could be turned into the right career for me. I hope that she’s right, and that there will be something right for me when I start applying for jobs again. In my session on Friday morning, she and I talked about teaching, and how one of the aspects I like is that it has a definite beginning and end. It’s a lot of work, but it also changes a lot more than research. So, maybe this will be a better fit for somebody like me, who experiences “research ADD” in addition to “life ADD.”
All in all, nothing at [big university] has been like I thought it would be, and this whole phase of my career is now starting to seem like a nightmare. Despite Friday’s little talk, I’m trying to keep focused that everything WILL work out okay. I’ll apply broadly, and I have social skills. Somebody will want me at their university/college, and this doesn’t mean that the last 8 years have been all for naught.